COMPETITIVE BALANCE ISSUE PASSES

[93Bulldog]

Ohio high schools have finally embraced a new plan intended to level the playing field between public and private schools, modifying how schools are placed in tournament divisions in eight team sports. Similar plans previously were voted down three times. This one passed by a vote of 411-323 with three abstentions. It will take effect during the 2016-17 school year. Enrollment has been the only factor in deciding a team's division in tournament play. Now, each athlete's educational-system history and where their parents reside also will be considered. The new rule applies only to boys football, soccer, basketball and baseball and girls soccer, volleyball, basketball and softball.

[Orange and Brown]

Let the debate begin!!!

[Westfan]

Here's a descent article explaining it.
http://highschoolsports.cleveland.com/n ... l-of-2016/

it's a step in the right division. A times 2 multiplier for football tranfer in and times 1 for a kid that's went there since the 7th grade isn't much. We'll see how much it effects.

[Raider6309]

"Athletes from a private school's designated feeder school or a public school's district are spared a multiplier."
This still sounds like private schools can recruit Columbus, Akron, Youngstown, Cleveland, and Cincinnati public schools with no multiplier

[Westfan]

"Athletes from a private school's designated feeder school or a public school's district are spared a multiplier."
This still sounds like private schools can recruit Columbus, Akron, Youngstown, Cleveland, and Cincinnati public schools with no multiplier

The quotes from the article make it sound like private schools and the OHSAA feared a private/public separation was going to happen if something wasn't done. Kinda sounds like they can say they did something to even the field even though it probably will have little impact.

[chiefs]

Like it's going to matter what "feeder school" they came from... except for the catholic schools that are seperated from the big cities, almost every Catholic HS has four or so (at the very least) catholic grade schools listed as feeders, even if the only get a big number from two of them. It basically solved nothing, just gives parents less incentive to take their athlete kid out of a public school if they're not a star athlete, since it'll just encourage roster cutting.

[93Bulldog]

Like it's going to matter what "feeder school" they came from... except for the catholic schools that are seperated from the big cities, almost every Catholic HS has four or so (at the very least) catholic grade schools listed as feeders, even if the only get a big number from two of them. It basically solved nothing, just gives parents less incentive to take their athlete kid out of a public school if they're not a star athlete, since it'll just encourage roster cutting.

They can only have ONE feeder school. Schools have to choose (designate) one feeder, that's it.

[chiefs]

Like it's going to matter what "feeder school" they came from... except for the catholic schools that are seperated from the big cities, almost every Catholic HS has four or so (at the very least) catholic grade schools listed as feeders, even if the only get a big number from two of them. It basically solved nothing, just gives parents less incentive to take their athlete kid out of a public school if they're not a star athlete, since it'll just encourage roster cutting.

They can only have ONE feeder school. Schools have to choose (designate) one feeder, that's it.

Where does it say that? That'd be ridiculous to penalize Catholic schools because they have families who sent their kids to Catholic grade school A instead of Catholic grade school B.

[Paladin]

The idea is to stop the abuse that comes with kids coming from multiple cities. Thus ONE feeder school ( usually the largest enrollment in your city). Multiplier is less for this case than for a kid who comes from outside Catholic schools altogether. Word is already out this multiplier is going to get jacked up in the future. Watch what happens.

[93Bulldog]

"Level 2 Sport Specific Factor for non-public schools means the student did not attend the same system of education continuously since 7th grade (and therefore did not attend the designated/assigned “feeder school” continuously since 7th grade)."

They use designated/assigned "feeder school" throughout the entire proposal.

Not feeder schools, plural.

[Raider6309]

So how does it work with open enrollment? If your feeder school is northland, doesn't that mean all of Columbus public is your feeder school

[93Bulldog]

So how does it work with open enrollment? If your feeder school is northland, doesn't that mean all of Columbus public is your feeder school

No.

Northland will have to chose a 'feeder school", which is basically its middle school. (i.e. Athens middle school will be the Athens feeder school.)

If a kid goes to middle school (7th and 8th grade) on the west side of Columbus - but wants to attend Northland - he will have a multiplier when accounting for Northlands enrollment.

[LICKING COUNTY FAN]

Wonder if the private schools will break ties with the OHSAA and form their own association?

[bman]

Wonder f the private schools will break ties with the OHSAA and form their own association?

Why? Because they are in the process of losing their advantage? Having public city schools - Africentric, etc. - and private schools in metro areas - Newark Catholic, Harvest Prep, etc. - competing in D6 football and D3/D4 in other sports against rural districts is not fair.

[chiefs]

"Level 2 Sport Specific Factor for non-public schools means the student did not attend the same system of education continuously since 7th grade (and therefore did not attend the designated/assigned “feeder school” continuously since 7th grade)."

They use designated/assigned "feeder school" throughout the entire proposal.

Not feeder schools, plural.

What does "same system of education" mean? Go to a Catholic grade school in the Diocese and go to a Catholic high school in the same Diocese it's the same system.

[93Bulldog]

So how does it work with open enrollment? If your feeder school is northland, doesn't that mean all of Columbus public is your feeder school

I was wrong about this. Only non-public schools have to choose a "feeder."

OHSAA:

"Nonpublic schools can designate one chosen feeder parish in which their players count as a zero. Those outside that parish but enrolled in the same educational system since seventh grade count as a one. Columbus public students attending schools outside their designated neighborhood zone also would count as a one."

HERE IS THE BREAKDOWN OF LEVEL 0,1 & 2

"A Level 0 Factor for public schools means the parents of the student reside within that school’s district (single high schools) or designated/assigned attendance zone (multiple high schools). A Level 0 Factor for non-public schools means the student attended a designated/assigned “feeder school” during 7th and 8th grade. Note: The Level 0 Factor means each student on a particular team’s roster meeting the criteria of the factor will be multiplied by 0 (so that number will always be 0)."

"A Level 1 Factor for public districts with single high schools means the student’s parents reside outside the school district but the student has been continuously enrolled in the school district since 7th grade. A Level 1 Factor for public districts with multiple high schools means the student’s parents reside within the school district but do not reside within the school’s designated/assigned attendance zone, OR the student’s parents reside outside the school’s designated/assigned attendance zone or the school district, but the student has been continuously enrolled in the school district since 7th grade. A Level 1 Factor for non-public schools means the student attended the same system of education continuously since 7th grade but did not attend its designated/ assigned “feeder school” continuously since 7th grade. Note: The Level 1 Factor means each student on a particular team’s roster meeting the criteria of the factor will be multiplied by 1."

"A Level 2 Sport Specific Factor for public districts with single high schools means the student’s parents reside outside the school district and the student has not been continuously enrolled in the school district since 7th grade. A Level 2 Sport Specific Factor for public districts with multiple high schools means the student’s parents reside outside of the school’s designated/assigned attendance zone and the school district and the student has not been continuously enrolled in the school district since 7th grade. A Level 2 Sport Specific Factor for non-public schools means the student did not attend the same system of education continuously since 7th grade (and therefore did not attend the designated/assigned “feeder school” continuously since 7th grade). Note: The Level 2 Sport Specific Factor means each student on a particular team’s roster meeting the criteria of the factor will be multiplied by 2 for the sport of football, 5 for the sports of volleyball, basketball, baseball and softball and 6 for the sport of soccer."

[LICKING COUNTY FAN]

Wonder f the private schools will break ties with the OHSAA and form their own association?

Why? Because they are in the process of losing their advantage? Having public city schools - Africentric, etc. - and private schools in metro areas - Newark Catholic, Harvest Prep, etc. - competing in D6 football and D3/D4 in other sports against rural districts is not fair.

If there was 7 divisions in all sports and they did this, I would agree they have a huge advantage.

[93Bulldog]

What does 7 divisions have to do with anything? They accounted for the other sports in a different way. Your "level 2 sports specific factor" will be FIVE for players who do not live in the district.

That 5 (instead of 2 for football) accounts for only four divisions.

[4thgoal]

This will make it really hard to keep track of divisions. They will have the counts every 2 years and then every year your enrollment will be adjusted based on the previous roster

[ohbuckeye2]

This will make it really hard to keep track of divisions. They will have the counts every 2 years and then every year your enrollment will be adjusted based on the previous roster

This will be a mess for OHSAA to try and keep track of, they had a hard enough time getting the numbers right the way it was.