kantuckyII wrote:It's against nature
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/04/magaz ... als-t.html
So . . . not so much. But who cares about facts?
kantuckyII wrote:It's against nature
No, it's against your religious beliefs . . . YOUR religious beliefs, which puts you squarely in the minority.kantuckyII wrote:It's against nature
i think Tobias provided you with some pretty sound "reasoning"..... but either you chose not to read it or you are like Paladin and are in.....Der_Kommissar1968 wrote: I'll take laws grounded in reason and in conformity with the Constitution.
I did read tobias' post, but I don't think his analogies are appropriate. JChipwood touched on some of the flaws, so I won't repeat it. I don't think you're considering his analogy with a critical eye. That's not a knock against Tobias. He's a smart guy, and we all know that. I think though in this instance, his logic doesn't really follow. No offense Tobias . . . and I recognize that you would vehemently disagree with my assessment of your argument.KVDW wrote:i think Tobias provided you with some pretty sound "reasoning"..... but either you chose not to read it or you are like Paladin and are in.....Der_Kommissar1968 wrote: I'll take laws grounded in reason and in conformity with the Constitution.
DENIAL !!!!!!!
Try reading it thias time....
http://tech.mit.edu/V124/N5/kolasinski.5c.html
Majority of Americans support gay marriage in poll
Fri May 20, 2011 10:26pm EDT
(Reuters) - Fifty-three percent of Americans support making gay marriage legal, a Gallup poll showed on Friday, a marked reversal from just a year ago when an equal majority opposed same-sex matrimony.
The latest Gallup findings are in line with two earlier national polls this spring that show support for legally recognized gay marriage has, in recent months, gained a newfound majority among Americans.
Gallup said Democrats and political independents accounted for the entire shift in its survey compared to last year, when only 44 percent of all respondents favored gay marriage, while 53 percent were opposed. The percentage of Republicans favoring same-sex matrimony held steady at 28 percent.
Same-sex marriage remains a highly contested issue in U.S. politics, but homosexual couples have won the right to legally wed in five states -- Massachusetts, Connecticut, Vermont, New Hampshire and Iowa -- and the District of Columbia. Gay couples have faced setbacks elsewhere, and no statewide initiative to legalize gay marriage has ever won a majority vote.
The growing support for gay marriage comes after President Barack Obama signed into law legislation in December to repeal the ban on openly gay men and women serving in the military under a 17-year-old law known as "Don't Ask, Don't Tell."
Gallup noted the policy change, but said it was unclear if that influenced Americans' attitudes about same-sex unions.
"The trend toward marriage equality is undeniable -- and irreversible," Joe Solmonese, president of the gay rights group Human Rights Campaign, said in a statement.
Maggie Gallagher, chairman of the National Organization for Marriage, said the poll shows her fellow opponents of gay matrimony have been "shamed" into silence.
"Polls are becoming very sensitive to wording, and the wording being used in the media are not predicting accurately what happens at the actual polls when people vote," she said.
In a sign of a generation gap, Gallup found 70 percent of respondents between the ages of 18 and 34 support gay marriage, compared to only 39 percent among those 55 and older.
A Washington Post/ABC News poll in March showed 53 percent of Americans said same-sex marriage should be legal, and 51 percent said the same thing in a CNN Poll released in April.
By comparison, a 1996 Gallup found that 68 percent of Americans were opposed to same-sex marriage, a figure that has trended downward ever since.
Twenty-nine states have adopted constitutional amendments restricting marriage as between a man and a woman, and 12 other states have passed laws to that effect, according to the Human Rights Campaign.
In Minnesota, a proposal to put a constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage before voters in 2012 gained momentum this month when it passed the state Senate.
In a setback for gays and lesbians seeking marriage rights, 52 percent of California voters approved a constitutional amendment that banned same-sex marriage in 2008, months after the state's Supreme Court had legalized it. Passage of the ban, known as Proposition 8, was seen as particularly significant because of Californians' history of supporting liberal causes.
In 2010, a federal judge found Prop 8 unconstitutional, but his decision was blocked by the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals while the case remains under judicial review.
This is why it is inevitable that gay marriage will be legal when the younger generation becomes the older generation.In a sign of a generation gap, Gallup found 70 percent of respondents between the ages of 18 and 34 support gay marriage, compared to only 39 percent among those 55 and older.
A Washington Post/ABC News poll in March showed 53 percent of Americans said same-sex marriage should be legal, and 51 percent said the same thing in a CNN Poll released in April.
By comparison, a 1996 Gallup found that 68 percent of Americans were opposed to same-sex marriage, a figure that has trended downward ever since.
Just shows the indoctrination in the government schools is working...right beside the communist dumbing down of the kids so they will be good sheep and not balk at their masters.NYBuckeye96 wrote:
This is why it is inevitable that gay marriage will be legal when the younger generation becomes the older generation.
70% of people between the ages of 18-34 support gay marriage.
Every year a poll is taken on gay marriage, it gains more and more support each year.
I'd agree with that 100%. But who is making it such a big issue? The religious right is. Let them getting married, drop the issue, and get to the bigger task at hand.Tobias wrote:...and the Chinese and other peoples will continue to pass us by when they are concentrating on STEM (Science, Technology, Engineering and Mathematics) and we are concerned about gay marriage...
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The right is? Come on now, you are making yourself sound as foolish as Paladin. It's always been the Liberals that have tried to force this issue down our throats. The want the gays to be able to get married so they can get government assistance...insurance or what not...that the rest of us must pay for. THEY chose their lifestyle. We didn't chose it for them. What gives them the right to force their lifestyle on us. Nothing!Der_Kommissar1968 wrote:. But who is making it such a big issue? The religious right is. Let them getting married, drop the issue, and get to the bigger task at hand.
It's being forced down your throat??? Did someone try to force you into a gay marriage??? You're being disengeuous. Your beef isn't with imaginary consequences that would flow from gay marriage. Your beef is with gays themselves. Why don't you just come out and say it. You despise gays and you don't want to give them any more right than you have to.Runner wrote:The right is? Come on now, you are making yourself sound as foolish as Paladin. It's always been the Liberals that have tried to force this issue down our throats. The want the gays to be able to get married so they can get government assistance...insurance or what not...that the rest of us must pay for. THEY chose their lifestyle. We didn't chose it for them. What gives them the right to force their lifestyle on us. Nothing!Der_Kommissar1968 wrote:. But who is making it such a big issue? The religious right is. Let them getting married, drop the issue, and get to the bigger task at hand.
Just BAN all gay marriages "drop the issue, and get to the bigger task at hand".
Runner wrote:Yes they chose their lifestyle. I know plenty of people who have gotten divorced from the opposite sex to lead into a gay relationship. Were they always gay? NO. Some of them I have known since I was a kid. They were NOT gay back then. They dated, slept with and even married the opposite sex. Being gay is something that they moved on to. This was a CHOICE THEY MADE. Am I still friends with them? Yes I am. They know that I do not like the idea, because it busted up somew great relationships. They never do or say anything when they are around me, my family or my other friends that lets it out that they are gay. But most everyone knows they are. So you saying that I "despise" gays is a complete lie, which is not surprising coming from you. If I "despised" them I would not ever go around them.
Yes it is trying to forced on to us.......by the gay community and by the government.